fran and ron, author of the secrets of the fbi. fran, a really basic question here. if you just walk up to someone on a staff and say, hey, the general would like me to have classified documents, is that all there is to it? would they likely hand them over on that? >> no, but you have to understand the military culture. i visited petraeus in afghanistan on business and he walks into a briefing, he speaks to you about sensitive military matters, the staff sees that, there's a military culture and so, if you then ask for a document and suggest that the general has offered it to you in some way or sanctioned your having it, it's very difficult for a subordinate military member to either question the general's guest or the general himself about that. and so, it's not really clear, did petraeus actually direct that she could have theodis documents, did he chun kate with his subordinate soldiers and command, we don't know that so it remains unclear about the circumstances. >> so, ron, if it's a staff member who sees this sort of relationship or thinks they see such a relat